Ever wondered how attraction and infatuation can impact our expectations of relationships and even our own behavior? Join us as we share personal stories of crushes, submission, and the importance of understanding our boundaries. We'll also explore how infatuation can cause us to act differently and question whether we're giving up a level of autonomy in the process.
Finishing up the plot, we'll discuss the memorable music, lyrics, and choreography. We'll reminisce about the movie's most unforgettable moments and how our perceptions have changed since we first watched it. Let's finish our analysis and reflect on how this classic impacted our own view of relationships.
We'll also discuss the themes and messages of Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, our growth since first watching the film, and the lessons we've learned about autonomy, feminism, and straight white cis able-bodied privilege.
And as always, our shocked and applaudable moments!
Ever wondered how attraction and infatuation can impact our expectations of relationships and even our own behavior? Join us as we share personal stories of crushes, submission, and the importance of understanding our boundaries. We'll also explore how infatuation can cause us to act differently and question whether we're giving up a level of autonomy in the process.
Finishing up the plot, we'll discuss the memorable music, lyrics, and choreography. We'll reminisce about the movie's most unforgettable moments and how our perceptions have changed since we first watched it. Let's finish our analysis and reflect on how this classic impacted our own view of relationships.
We'll also discuss the themes and messages of Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, our growth since first watching the film, and the lessons we've learned about autonomy, feminism, and straight white cis able-bodied privilege.
And as always, our shocked and applaudable moments!
No, no, it's a different one.
Speaker 2:It's one that That guy the Jewish American singer. He has a movie about him being the Jewish American singer, Mel Brooks.
Speaker 1:No, weird, al right, sweet Caroline, sweet Caroline, ba-ba-ba. Yes, i can't believe you got there. And then there's an avalanche, and that avalanche goes on for 47 hours. I mean, they must have spent a lot of money on this sequence, but like, dear God, it just keeps avalanching. To show scope, i guess, but like, and then they're just admiring their work while these women cry and cry and they're like Did you notice? I'm sure you did when they pull back into the cabin, that freaking Adam's ass is like Sobbing, sobbing women Like yeah, he's singing the musical number about the rape of women because he is the biggest asshole. He really is like. He's like two assholes combined into one asshole.
Speaker 2:Like a two, three foot two men inside of a big leather jacket.
Speaker 3:So he's like. So he's like three assholes in a trench coat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yes, a trench coat made of leather, and just imagine it's hot all the time.
Speaker 2:It smells like yak urine.
Speaker 3:Really like spiky red hair sparsely everywhere When he shaves, it's just hair that he's shaving off, except for, like the mustache, he's entirely coated in pubic hair And yet he's the one I like.
Speaker 1:So you know how I like an undeniable villain, like they're just a villain all the way through because you can thoroughly hate them, like he's kind of. he is the villain. Are we the bad people? He's that bad people.
Speaker 2:It's like George Bush saying Mission accomplished.
Speaker 1:His vibe is Mission accomplished, We've got the women and Millie comes running out. And she's like what the f***? And he's all like we got wives. And it's like, oh, we forgot to get a preacher.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and all the girls are like what the f***?
Speaker 1:Right they go from and it's funny that they're sobbing. And when they hear we forgot to get the preacher, they sob harder.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's almost like they didn't want to get kidnapped.
Speaker 1:They didn't want to get kidnapped, but now they can't get laid either.
Speaker 3:Right, oh, and what is it? Millie says the house is for the girls. All you stay in the barn, including you, adam, and she has this fight with him and it causes him to just pick up and leave.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go to the cabin up north and I'll come back when the pass opens.
Speaker 3:Gideon is like Millie Adam's going up to the cabin by himself. You got to stop him. And she's just like no, no, if he goes, let him go. He can't treat people this way. And this is not the first time that he has just thought about women as property, because he kind of saw Millie that way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. just a thing. you can have My next note, which, but okay, here okay, but also, and the way that we are all so solely, we're so multifaceted. if Gen were to be like, now it's woman to woman, but if Jen was like, and I will have you, I'd be like Well, don't feel bad about it, because this movie kind of explains my submissive tendencies.
Speaker 3:Oh, we'll discuss. Well, like I mean, i've just, i don't know, like there's a part of me that like, if I'm attracted to a guy, i have found myself to be like like more submissive than I need to be. Oh yeah, yeah, and I feel bad about it. Why.
Speaker 1:Well, cause like do you feel like you're giving up something?
Speaker 3:I feel like I'm giving up a level of autonomy, and sometimes it's like I don't even know the guy that well, but I'm just sort of like, oh, oh, you're attractive. So there's like this thing about infatuation, where it like can last anywhere from three to six months.
Speaker 1:Oh, i was stupid for Jen for like a year and a half. Yeah, maybe two years.
Speaker 3:You also like dated her. So like, imagine not actually dating your crush, you know?
Speaker 1:I did act different in front of. there's something stupid about humans where, like I, need to immediately become the thing that I think that person wants Right right, and so it's like that's what I think of when I think of like submissive tendencies.
Speaker 3:So I kind of I'm just sort of like like you. Just you live in this fantasy. Like for me, i live kind of in this fantasy and that I have to like pull myself away from it, you know, and maybe find another crush, you know.
Speaker 1:I imagine that, whomever you end up with, if it is your heart's desire, i believe it will happen for you. I think that in my brain, the ideal person will consider your feminist shenanigans, your autonomy, as a beautiful thing about you and not something that is detrimental to a relationship.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like I think that any relationship I would be in where my crush would be like that, it wouldn't last, like I would just be like like my my, in fact, like the attractiveness that I feel towards that person would just get cut in half because they were like well, i don't really like you because you're too outspoken for me. Man, i'm like, oh okay, i'm gonna go ahead and you see that corner where nobody's standing. I'm just gonna go over there and I'm just going to be like I very much when I'd stop having a crush on somebody.
Speaker 1:It would be very much be they'd say something that crossed my boundaries And I might not tell you what they are. If you are like these basic human rights are not important to me because they are not me, i'd be like, oh oh, everything I thought about you is gone. It's why I thought I was. I forget what it is. I thought I was demisexual for a while, like just like I fall in love with somebody's brain I don't know if that's true Like in turn, i mean, i do fall in love, have fallen in love with somebody's brain, but like It's like, it's like, it's like.
Speaker 3:You were a lot cuter when you didn't say anything. Oh my, it's why.
Speaker 1:I advocate for him bows. God bless you.
Speaker 3:If you're kind, sweet and dumb, here's the thing about him bows They are not just attractive, they are not just kind of intellectually ignorant, but they are also very respectful of people. And like they are going to be like I don't really understand, like for like. I don't like trans people are like.
Speaker 1:I don't understand what it means to be trans, but trans rights you know I hate like air on the side of being a good bro Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like oh, that's, that's not something that I really understand, but I trust your experiences. So that's what I think of when I think of a him bow. Yeah, you're not wrong.
Speaker 1:Okay, so he's gone. She's there with the girls. The girls are kind of locked in the house. Okay, so I'll. The shenanigans ensue.
Speaker 3:Okay, But like, like valid shenanigans, like they like the guy, so it stops knowing the guys are doing shoveling and everything And, like the girls, escalate their like frustrations by like throwing snow. And then a couple of them Like I'm, like I'm like you can, like they take these chamber pots and they dump them.
Speaker 1:They're wash basins. They're probably wash basins, but I daydream that they're chamber pots.
Speaker 3:I like to imagine that that's in there and maybe a turd, but like, and then they start and then, like the last three, throw snowballs at them and they kind of wince.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then what the one you like, and then he's all like y'all are wussies.
Speaker 3:And then he gets the snowball at him and dork is. Dork is. Yeah, it was played by Julie Neumar. She's so f***ing hot. But he realizes that they're they. They, they were throwing rocks in the snowball.
Speaker 1:Snowballs with rocks in them And I'm like good, good, Good, I mean.
Speaker 3:I mean you did kidnap them. but you know, rocket, a snowball, you know, aimed at your head, is, you know not, is like equal now Uh-huh.
Speaker 1:So the girls oh, the girls are. Now we cut to the scene where the girls are up in the room and they're like I'm so fr***ing bored And I can't stand that book about the Sabine women anymore. I love it so much, I hate it, Ah. And then they get to tussling Like they're rolling around on the floor and Milly comes in and she can't do that. I need all of your help because I'm pregnant. Except she doesn't say pregnant, I'm expecting, I'm with child Whatever. They are all like super, like dreamy-eyed. They all become. They're like oh, I want to get married now. I wish I was the one having a baby, I wish I was going to have childbirth.
Speaker 3:I wish I could potentially die in childbirth Right.
Speaker 1:Or like oh man, the child survival rate in 1850 was not good, so like I want to have a baby that has like a 40% chance of living or whatever.
Speaker 3:We need more children to growl to what is like you've seen Gravity Falls, right, Yeah, but no, Yeah, there was an episode where they do time travel and they go back to, like, the 1800s, And more children to towel, to tend to the plow, you know something like that. It was very like like old, old timey. It was gross. Yeah, it was hilarious.
Speaker 1:Oh, I wish I was given my only true duty to create an heir.
Speaker 2:And they start competing over who has the biggest Stockholm syndrome.
Speaker 1:I mean, you had a choice of ten men all fighting for you, and now you have one brother fighting for you.
Speaker 3:But they're really attractive, according to Millie, not after they shave, not after they kidnap you, not after they're covered in p***.
Speaker 2:I can't. I don't know if we bleep. I'm gonna keep it in there till I figure it out later.
Speaker 1:June wedding I roll hand holding and then the song where they're like spring, spring, spring Right.
Speaker 3:So they have this musical number where the girls are all talking about being a June bride, and then it goes into the fact that there's like, oh, it takes forever to get through the winter but they're helping Millie out and everything. And then it goes into another musical number about how you know I mean like all these guys are just you know kind of. I mean they kidnapped us. But I guess after a few months of doing some hard labor we kind of like saw that maybe we were the, maybe we were the unreasonable ones.
Speaker 1:We were the brides they needed all along.
Speaker 3:Oh my goodness, because they're like they're having this musical number about like you know how, all of the like, because it's spring and spring's in the air and All these animals are f***ing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all of the everything's everything has babies now, and doesn't that make you feel like having babies now, like it's the first?
Speaker 3:of May. First of May. Outdoor f***ing starts today, so bring your favorite lady, or at least your favorite lady. That's Jonathan Colton's first of May.
Speaker 1:We're going on the Joe Co-Crews. what's a me and her?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's gonna be awesome, it's gonna be great, I'm gonna sing Ikea and I'm going to insert that one line that I always sing whenever I sing Ikea, because they say what is it Ikea? Oh, no, no, no, no. This is my son, this is my husband Ikea This Every day, every day every day more than. Ikea. If you don't have a home, you can buy one there. Yeah, provided you have the funds.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, i like that. Yeah, provided you have the funds. you sing that every time. Yeah, i love that.
Speaker 3:But it's also like you know, like everyone has a home except for the homeless. But if you don't have a home, you can buy one there, provided you have the funds. I love, i love everyone, people, i want to yeah.
Speaker 1:There's this Bob Dylan song that goes they stone you when you're riding in your car, they stone you when you're, and that's like the whole thing, and it's just like that Bob Dylan thing, and like one time I'm riding in the car with Madeline probably back when we were watching this movie a lot. And I went la la, la And so. So every time he says a line to this day my brain goes la la la, that's on you when you're riding, when you're able. La la la, it's just like that. Um, that karaoke song, that's so good, buttercup. No, was it? Fill Me Up, buttercup, i'll fill me up Why? do you build me up? No, no, oh, it's a different one, it's um, it's one that uh.
Speaker 2:Hey, guy the Jewish, the Jewish American singer, the. He has a movie about him being the Jewish.
Speaker 3:American singer Mel Brooks.
Speaker 1:Weird Al right Sweet.
Speaker 2:Caroline, sweet Caroline.
Speaker 1:Yes, i can't believe you got there. Good job, this just proves you're the other half of my brain, i don't know. Okay, so we, let's, hey, let's, let's have that baby come up, right? So they're like the baby's coming and the girls run up and down the stairs So much hot water, all the towels, yes, and the boys are just pacing like pacing in their fancy shirts And I think I like that. They got dressed up because she's having a baby and they want to be like presentable.
Speaker 3:Well, like, and right before the babies come in, they're doing the musical number, and they're that's when they have the shirts on.
Speaker 1:Oh, because they're courting. Yeah, they're courting, those are our courting shirts. Okay, so it gets quiet right, and then you hear audibly put in a baby's smacking sound, somebody, somebody in the sound was like you know, we're not going to know the baby's born unless he gets smacked around a little bit. I've been. I've been to more than a handful of births. I have watched the babies enter this world. No one does that. Anybody who gets smacked is normally the husband or partner who's getting too close and breathing in the face of the woman who is struggling to birth a child into this world.
Speaker 3:And Gideon's, like I'm an, i'm an uncle, and then he faints.
Speaker 1:Yes, we have a scene where everyone presents her with gifts and the baby gifts, and somebody made a chair, obviously.
Speaker 3:Gideon made the chair For an infant. For an infant, he's the youngest. Okay, he's trying.
Speaker 1:You know, you know what Gideon should go, do He?
Speaker 3:should go get Adam.
Speaker 1:Somebody needs to get Adam.
Speaker 3:Someone hasn't already gone up there to be like Millie's pregnant? Get down here.
Speaker 1:So he's all like. Adam is immediately just like because Millie has proven herself to be a liar ever, right, she's like the most good person in this whole film, and she's all like. He's all like it's a trick to get me to come back. And Gideon's like no, you fucking nut sack. I have to tell you, i look, i, i, i always have admired you and, and I and I know that, to be the man you helped raise me to be, i need to tell you how I feel. And so he just pops him in the face, because Gideon's the best, yeah, and he just pops in the face and Adam like grabs him by the collar and then it's just like he's about to beat the shit out of him. But he's like oh right, my brother, family and stuff I'm supposed to be the grown up Picks him up off the ground and sets him on top of a horse. That's how big this fricking big foot man is. Yeah, oh my God. And then, and then, and then Gideon just rides away, sad, and, and so you know what you should do right after you give a birth, like a day later, you should be like stomping and clapping and like playing musical chairs, right.
Speaker 3:Dadada, dadadada, dadadadadada, dadadadada.
Speaker 1:And, like Gideon, falls on the floor because he's so cute.
Speaker 3:And in the middle of this moment, this happiness, who walks through the door? but Adam?
Speaker 1:Oh, adam, the boys and girls are ushered out.
Speaker 3:He's like. He's all like time to correct my mistakes. I recognize that taking people against their will is wrong.
Speaker 1:You came up with that all by yourself.
Speaker 3:No, he didn't. It was because of the fact that Millie gave him the riot act like three times this movie.
Speaker 1:And okay. so he's like well, i was thinking about the little girl And how, if I had a little girl, if that was stolen from?
Speaker 2:me, it would make me upset.
Speaker 1:So I decided I have to get those girls back to their families.
Speaker 3:Now that I have a daughter, I'm a feminist.
Speaker 1:No. No Street to jail. Street to jail.
Speaker 2:What I lost in penis size. I grew an empathy.
Speaker 1:I grew three more f*****s that day.
Speaker 3:Now I'm six f*****s in a trench coat.
Speaker 1:Sorry, future editing.
Speaker 2:Jen, i know, i know I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:Okay, the baby's name is Hannah.
Speaker 3:It could have been Hagar or Hepsiba, and personally I would have gone with Hepsiba. She sounds like a. she sounds like a forest witch.
Speaker 1:Yes, we need more witches and goblins. That's my goblin noise. Okay, so they kiss. It's lovely. And now I? this is what I call the squirrely girl roundup.
Speaker 3:So Adam goes out and he's like guys, we got to go and we got to go, take the women back.
Speaker 1:No, they have all their guns. They're like we're not going to let you do it.
Speaker 3:And he's just like what do you think is going to happen when they come up here? You think there's going to be a shootout and someone's going to get killed and you think those girls are going to marry you.
Speaker 1:after that I'm going to talk some sense, which you know is like totally my character, because I think things through Empathetic master politician And Gideon the one who Adam potato chip, pepper corn Pettitois, oh, you're asking about his last name Pippitu Pippeto Bipeddo.
Speaker 3:Periwinkle.
Speaker 1:Papino.
Speaker 3:Adam Periwinkle.
Speaker 1:Periwinkle.
Speaker 3:Portnoy, portabello Menoy menoy, portabello road.
Speaker 1:Portabello road.
Speaker 3:This is from a different musical than what we're watching right now, but it had Angela Lansbury in her fifties and she still looked like a dish. So Pippadoo, no, i can't. I thought it was in here, but it's not. I thought it was not. I thought it was not.
Speaker 1:Oh, I think you said it earlier.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was a pot of E pot of E Sorry.
Speaker 3:I like the fact that you don't remember names And so it's fun, or like hearing it I'm not sure, i'm not sure. I'm not sure, i'm not sure I don't remember names and so it's fun, or like hearing the different ones. Adam Perigren took.
Speaker 1:You're a fool of a took.
Speaker 3:Oh, so he really round up, yeah, and they go to get the girls, but they can't be found because they all want to stay And it's like. It's like when they got kidnapped the first time, but it would reverse.
Speaker 1:So they're like pulling them out of hend houses, they're like pulling them out of the hay and oh, um, what's her face is laying in the hay.
Speaker 3:And I was like I would roll in the hay with Dorcas, oh my God. I mean like with Ben there. that would be a nice, that'd be a nice combo.
Speaker 1:I mean, i'm sure there's a fan fiction out there, and if there isn't? it might be a good way to warm up your writing skills.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And I would read that and I would give you feedback. Yes, it was all good. Oh, so they get all of the girls in the, in the barred, as, like the girls, like dads and men, general.
Speaker 1:What are?
Speaker 3:you going to do to them? We're going to hang them up by the nearest tree, and then I go.
Speaker 1:the reverence stands up and he's like okay, we are all fathers and brothers here, so we hold nothing against you, but which is very progressive for the 1850s. Cause I, i, i guess. So He's like I need to know. I. When we wrote up, i heard a baby crying and no, no judgment. But like who, who, who does that baby belong to? And the girls look at each other with the same energy as the guys looking at each other when Adam broke the bed. They're like oh we're, oh, some free is about to happen. Is what that look is And and? and. They all in unison say mine, do you want to do that again? No, we're leaving it in. Okay, so now we cut to the living room shotgun wedding.
Speaker 3:Literally, that's day for a shotgun wedding, yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, we're so close guys.
Speaker 3:Okay Yeah, and it's not even two hours.
Speaker 1:This is a little literal miracle happening right now to do musicals. for now We can't describe.
Speaker 3:We're going to eventually do hello, dolly, we get back.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, oh no, okay. So the the reverence like do you well, lady? No, do you, ladies, take these gentlemen to be your spouses? The ladies, coily, look around the men standing behind them, to the men standing behind them, which are all their dads with shotguns, and they all nod in unison and they are like we do. And do you, gentlemen, do you take these women to be your lovely wedded wives? and they all do the slow crane around to look at the dads who are all holding shotguns and admit that the dads take one step forward and they turn around and they're like we do. And your guy has the faintest of smiles on his lips and that's the best face in the room. He's just like they all sleep in one room. Yeah, on their wedding night debt. It is that people arehugging things somehow.
Speaker 3:I would like to think that they probably like I don't know how they would work that. I really don't know Cause they don't, they They're still snow outside. Yeah, what? what one person's gonna take the bedroom up, neck up up on the second floor? You got someone in the kitchen. You got like you got another couple in-.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's do the math on this. Did they have enough sheets to like oh, yeah, so, okay, okay, so Seven brothers, that's They have 14 people, right, six?
Speaker 3:six couples that actually need their own space At this point, cause Adam and Millie have their own Right. So you have, like, one couple that's in the bedroom that they all share. That's one couple. Then you have one couple who's-.
Speaker 1:Oh living room. Sleeping in the living room, kitchen, kitchen, laundry room.
Speaker 3:Laundry room.
Speaker 1:We have two more couples. Yeah, that's the barn.
Speaker 3:Oh, maybe one goes up to the cabin, one goes to the Trapper cabin and the other's in the In the barn. Okay, all right, now it makes sense, though I think the washroom and kitchen are too close together, so maybe like a couple just goes outside.
Speaker 1:But it's still snowing. Yeah, no, just hang a sheet, it'll be fine.
Speaker 2:We know that they can raise a barn too.
Speaker 1:This is upstairs in the barn and downstairs in the barn.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh, still Yeah, still gross. Okay, you're gonna have to hang a sheet. We've all been We've all done grosser things.
Speaker 1:Oh man, we've done grosser things.
Speaker 3:All right, and how does this movie end?
Speaker 1:Oh, they pan over to Adam and Millie and they kiss Mm-hmm, and then it pans out to all of the recently married couples.
Speaker 3:And they're kissing too.
Speaker 1:And then it goes to the end And we get like two, three cards with actors' names on it. They're listed as the wives and the brothers, which is gross, and then that's it. That's the end of it. That's one hour and 58 minutes. What the f-? And 59 seconds? Oh, it's It's 159. That took us less than two hours.
Speaker 3:It's because we have a hiatus coming.
Speaker 1:Yeah like we would. We would take a hiatus as we finally got our game on point.
Speaker 2:It's still like what?
Speaker 3:half an hour longer than the movie right, yeah, but we did have a little bit of non-plot walkthrough at the beginning There were several musical numbers, also like a few fight scenes. So we just need to just do this movie again.
Speaker 1:As told by Seven Brides for seven hours. You can't kill no dicks without a bunch of sticks.
Speaker 3:I'm weak, all right. So do we still have some more Sean facts?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we have, i mean not a full butt load of Sean facts.
Speaker 3:Six butt loads and a trench coat at this point.
Speaker 1:And a duffel bag according to, like some of our other episodes.
Speaker 2:Millie. she and Howard Keel would later reprise their roles in a Seven Brides for Seven Brothers stage adaptation. She also appeared in dancing and singing roles in many other musical films, including Royal Wedding and Rich, young and Pretty, and also A Date with Judy Dorcas. Galen is played by Julie Numar, as we mentioned, and she is a classically trained ballerina. she would later rise to fame as Catwoman in the 60s TV version of Batman. She also won a supporting actress Tony Award for the marriage go round. Her singing voice for the film was dubbed by Betty Allen, ruth Jepsen or Rudalee and in parentheses Sean has Kilmonus. I think maybe that was like a married name or something. Rudalee appeared in the sitcom Roseanne as the first girlfriend of Roseanne's mother. Her singing parts for the film were dubbed in post production by Betty Noyes. Martha. her singing voice for the film was dubbed by Bobby Canvin. She wears a green dress during the barn raising scene. Liza is played by Virginia Gibson. She was nominated for a Tony Award in 57 and performed regularly as a singer and dancer on The Carson Show. Sarah Keane is played by Betty Carr and she was a Broadway veteran dancing in Dam Yankees, happy Hunting, mask and Gown and Fanny. I don't know I mean, i know some of those Her singing voice for the film.
Speaker 1:I know some of them words.
Speaker 2:Man. Lots of these women had dubbed singing voices. Hers was dubbed by Norma Zimmer. Alice Elcott was played by Nancy Kilgus, made her film debut in Seven Brides for Seven Brothers and she danced in the film versions of Oklahoma, shake, raddala and Rock and Alfred Hitchcock's Torn Curtain. Her singing voice for the film was dubbed by Mary Green. All right From there I've got a few more production things. Choreographer Michael Kidd originally turned down the film recalling in 97. Here are those slobs living off in the woods. They have no schooling, they're uncouth, there's manure on the floor, the cows come in and out and they're going to get up and dance. We'd be laughed out of the house. Most of the women, excuse me, most of the movie was shot on the MGM sound stages and one exterior sequence was not filmed at the studio. It was shot on location at Corral Creek Canyon in Sun Valley, idaho. It was here that the escape following the brothers kidnapping their future brides and the avalanche that closed the pass was filmed. For the bride's costumes designer Walter Plunkett went to the Salvation Army, found old quilts and turned them into dresses. This is a rare instance of a film from the Hayes Production Code era that ends with characters getting away with a crime. The film ends with the Ponthopee brothers happily married to the town's women instead of going to prison for kidnapping them. However, since the women chose not to press charges against them, arguably they would not have gone to prison anyway. And here's a little bit of information about the Hayes Code if you're interested. The Motion Picture Production Code was this self-imposed industry set of guidelines for all the motion pictures that were released between 34 and 68. Named after the president of the Motion Picture Association of America, will H Hayes, the Hayes Code is a set of rules and guidelines that Hollywood films were made to follow. There was a set of moral guidelines and rules that were meant to make Hollywood pictures presentable and safe for the public at large, which meant not covering or featuring certain controversial topics, themes or actions. Hayes Code examples include keeping Catholic and family values. No sexually explicit content, good guys always winning, nothing that promotes bad values or perversion, no swearing and saying offensive things. The code was brought to Hollywood because of a series of scandals in Hollywood during the 20s and concerns from people and politicians across the nation where making the pre-Hayes Code movies looked bad. States were setting up their own censorship guidelines and Hollywood was very worried about the US government getting involved. Hollywood producers were thinking it was best to self-censor, so they would hopefully prevent anyone from intervening. In this way, they would have had a nationwide rule book that would cover all their bases and not have to make multiple cuts of every film to play in different states. In case you were wondering where the First Amendment was during all this, it had been decided in 1915 court case that free speech did not cover motion pictures because they were seen solely as a business and not an art form. And that is Sean Fax for quite some time.
Speaker 3:Sean Fax. Sean Fax.
Speaker 2:Well.
Speaker 1:Should we just talk to an applause, this mother fucker Yeah.
Speaker 2:Anyone feel like a June bride?
Speaker 1:No, I feel like a November pregnant lady.
Speaker 3:I mean I can do. Do you guys wanna do shocked and applause and then just kind of move on?
Speaker 1:Let's do shock, shock, shock, applaud, applaud, applaud. So we end on something amazing.
Speaker 3:Okay, so I'll start with my shocked Like. Even to this day, the music is what shocks me the most because it just sticks with me and it will stick with me until the day that I die. Like, what is it called in court? And duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. I mean the lyrics. Like what was the name of the guy who wrote the lyrics? Jeff, Johnny, Johnny.
Speaker 1:Mercer.
Speaker 3:Johnny Mercer. Yeah, like, i mean lyrics are just like, but like even still that duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. The lyrics can just go ahead and, you know, get tossed in a snowball with a rock, but like the music itself, the instrumentals, you know just this very catchy and it just it's like it's an earworm. It's an earworm. Yeah, so like It's rewatchable when some musicals get really Well, i remember like when I started really watching this movie, i was like it was one of my go-tos. It was up there with like Lamez and Phantom of the Opera, really Yeah. And then I grew up and was like I don't know how I feel about liking this musical because of the dubious consent. That was much shocked. What about you, Naomi?
Speaker 1:My shocked moment might be how much I've grown since I first started watching this film, because I mean there are things that I take much umbrage with now. But you know, 20 plus years ago, laying around like being much more Christian then I'm still Christian, but like not much more Christian then. Like laying around eating my cheesy pretzel bites shout out to whoever makes cheesy pretzel bites, the cheap ones that have to be in the black package. If I had a discussion with Naomi then and Naomi now, it would be like very much like. You understand that they are committing a crime. You understand that they are objectively in the wrong. You understand that these women have been placed in a spot where they can't make a good decision for themselves because the people who keep them in check the people and when I say keep them in check I mean check their you have a support system who, like helps you make good decisions about yourself and your life. Like you need those people, and so when you're cut off from those people you make, you can make terrible decisions, and maybe they are the love of your life, but shouldn't the love of your life respect you enough to like do things in a way that honors you and doesn't dismiss you. I would be like you understand, that's not how it's supposed to work. Like the values they are presenting are neanderthalish, like that it just doesn't. You don't whack somebody on the head and drag them back to your cave. That's not how it works. That's not how it worked in caveman times, that's not how it works now. And I would be like, yeah, yeah, i get it. You're such a stick in the mud. And I'd be like yeah, i know, but growth got me here. So sorry, young Naomi, you're still allowed to like this movie.
Speaker 2:Oh, is it my turn? I will look back on this movie as a prime example of straight white cis able-bodied privilege.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's not wrong.
Speaker 2:I just like. From a historical standpoint, this is one of those movies that teaches a lesson that it doesn't know. It teaches in our age, so I'm kind of shocked that there's something to learn from this movie.
Speaker 1:I can't believe how much what you just said made me think of a big bag of Wonder Bread. This is the Wonder Bread of musicals. Like it's probably not good for you, but it's probably not gonna kill you either. You can have Wonder Bread every once in a while. It's not a crime.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's pretty thin on the plot too, It takes like three quarters of the movie to even get to the sobbing sisters.
Speaker 1:The last minute of the movie you get the actual wives of the seven brothers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, So applause.
Speaker 3:Well, i went kind of. you know I didn't go very deep into it, but it was. the dancing was very satisfying to watch. Like when they get onto the platform at the barn raising, they start like really hitting their feet on the dance floor and you can just hear it and it's just like, yeah, it's really nice. And like there's this moment where, like when they're struggling with this hand, with the balancing, there's a moment where one of the great guys and one of the brothers is like they're like trying to show their strength but they're balancing at the same time And so when one of the brothers defeats him, all these other guys come up and they do this like flourish of, like a kick, and then they twirl around and then the great guy like gets thrown off and that happens like a few more times And it's just like. it's really satisfying to watch. as far as like dance numbers go And like, i will probably not really get into a lot of the musicals of this era. Funny girls is the other one that I really like, but it doesn't. but Funny Girl doesn't have the dancing the way that this has, cause it's a Barbara Streisand comedy film. She's not about sheer athleticism. Yeah, yeah, i won't go into like the movie musicals of this era because they're just so plastigy and they're all just very like I don't know, like it's very obviously fake and not in a way that really makes me interested. So but I'll go back to this one because I like to imagine that this is the best out of all of the dancing. but I'm not actually gonna double check that Maybe Hello Dolly has some really great dancing and I just don't know it probably not.
Speaker 1:I think my applaud moment would be okay. So, unlike Rocky that we did last, where like it was an event and like a cultural marker for me and it gave me lots of style, This movie has, like it gives me like warm watching it with friends vibes. Like watching it first with Madeline, getting to share it with you, and like getting to have it be your first time watching it, jen. Like I just I'm like yeah, no, and this ridiculous thing happened And did you catch that? And that's dumb or that's great or like that's fascinating or whatever. Like I just I have warm memories of sharing this film but I don't feel like the pressure to have it perfectly memorized. Like there's certain movies that are like karaoke to me, like you just kind of have it all together for you, but like I don't know half the lyrics from this movie, even though I've like watched it a bunch of times. Suck it.
Speaker 3:Mercer.
Speaker 1:Mercer. they're not memorable lyrics And so like I just yeah, what I enjoy about this movie is the warm fuzzies I get, sharing it with other people And I know that's kind of an answer. I've given a couple times about a couple films, but this podcast has been like sharing movies for whatever compelling reason, with people I like to talk to about movies. So, like it's just, it's warm fuzzies for me all the way down. She's see pretzel whites. Nice, We were at Winco today. we could have gotten some.
Speaker 2:Well, golly, what do I have to applaud this movie, Since it's brand new to me? I don't have any of those fuzzy feelings towards it. I would be totally happy not watching this movie again.
Speaker 1:That's your applaud. You never have to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, yeah.
Speaker 1:You have to listen to this podcast.
Speaker 2:I did think that there were some very attractive people in this movie, though, and so I will applaud the casting.
Speaker 1:Nice, okay, nice Well, applauders. we don't know when we're going to see you again, but we have enjoyed our time, and watching movies and talking about them with you is incredible, so thank you for being here for that, yeah.
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Speaker 1:I think we've given them five years of content so far. They're good for a while.
Speaker 3:We have so many episodes and all of them are broken up into three parts.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
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Speaker 1:All right, Oh wait. Well, if we can have a whole like we'll meet again, don't know where, don't know, No, it's probably going to be here if we come back.
Speaker 3:It's like at the end of The Shining.
Speaker 1:Oh, how does that go Midnight? all the stars on you, except they do that at the end of the last podcast on the left. Okay, so we can't steal that from them.
Speaker 3:Well then, it's just us in a black and white photo of Seven Brides for Seven Brothers.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, That's what would happen. We're in limbo in Seven Brides for Seven Brothers until we come back.
Speaker 3:Oh, no, internet. We're trying to make vows with herds of cows, but we can't do it.
Speaker 1:Can't sleep with electric sheep. Anyways, until next time. I'm Naomi McQuade. I'm Lydia Malcolm.
Speaker 2:And I'm Jen McQuade and this is Shocked and Applauded. Thank you so much for listening. Yay, thank you, thanks, Thanks for listening, bye, bye.